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mariomike said:
I wonder what he would do if partnered with a woman. Just the two of you. Without a chaperone or anybody else. Cooped up together from 1900 - 0700.

Get permission from Mother? 
 

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Dimsum said:
Get permission from Mother?

It wasn't Mom I was worried about.  :)

Oh yes! Now, the next day, I get the "Mother" reference. I was a bit slow on the uptake. hahaha
 

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mariomike said:
I wonder what he would do if partnered with a woman. Just the two of you. Without a chaperone or anybody else. Cooped up together from 1900 - 0700.

Perhaps he was more worried about what his command would think or had been conditioned to the idea that one wrong word could get him into a pile of poop.
 
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That was pretty normal in till Op Honour. I remember on a joint ex with Americans there was one American soldier that was terrified of the fact that the one female soldier was going to sleep in the same tent as us (the tent was big enough to fit two platoons).
Where was it normal? Going all the way back to 1988 in a Reserve unit in Windsor, it wasn't allowed.  Basic in 2004 it wasn't allowed.

 

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Where was it normal? Going all the way back to 1988 in a Reserve unit in Windsor, it wasn't allowed.  Basic in 2004 it wasn't allowed.


I have to echo the other members.  Not a single BMQ course I was an instructor on, and not a single course I took, ever segregated male and female soldiers.

Everybody acted professional.  Nobody cared.  Was never an issue, and I got in back in...2000?
 

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Where was it normal? Going all the way back to 1988 in a Reserve unit in Windsor, it wasn't allowed.  Basic in 2004 it wasn't allowed.

Yeah, but in 1988 it was still a quite new thing and vaginas were strange and scary. After some years of realizing that there were very few of the anticipated problems, things mostly chilled out and got in line with reality
 

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NYC officials will begin to count suspected COVID-19 deaths of people who die at home.

Death Count Expected To Soar As NYC Says It Will Begin Reporting Probable COVID Deaths In Addition To Confirmed Ones

https://gothamist.com/news/death-count-expected-soar-nyc-says-it-will-begin-reporting-suspected-covid-deaths-addition-confirmed-ones

"Out of the 12 cardiac arrests I did on Sunday 10 had COVID symptoms... Nobody made it back. That’s going on all over the city." FDNY paramedic
 

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NHS staff to be offered mental health support for Covid-19 'shell shock'

Long-term programme of access to specialists, online therapy and group counselling sessions

All of the NHS’s 1.4 million staff will be offered free mental health support from Friday to help them cope with the “shell shock” of tackling Covid-19.

NHS staff will be given free access to a programme of more than 1,500 specialists, online therapy and group counselling sessions. They will also receive practical and financial assistance as well as specialist bereavement, psychological support and help with sleep problems.

“I don’t want to use war language, but when the crisis hits, we are likely to see NHS staff suffering symptoms similar to shell shock,” said Lucy Warner, chief executive of NHS Practitioner Health, which has set up the mental health side of the wellbeing programme.

Warner said this was a long-term programme. “Staff might not need this most badly in the immediate term, when the crisis hits because they’ll be so busy. But three to six months down the line … staff are likely to suffer symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/08/nhs-staff-mental-health-shell-shock-tackling-covid-19-coronavirus
 

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Mates, may I ask you if it would be interesting to spread some infos about a medecine being used by USA before (as published by President Trump), and being used actually by Brazil (as omitted by Sao Paulo state on this while, due to politics interests)?
A high staff doctor, an old, has been cured in few days but he doesn't admit the medecine he have take. It makes clear that the interest is not to allow normal people to have the same benefits.
I wonder if we spread some news about it, then the canadian staff could study it and make use of such medecine, in order to save people.
 

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macarena said:
Mates, may I ask you if it would be interesting to spread some infos about a medecine being used by USA before (as published by President Trump), and being used actually by Brazil (as omitted by Sao Paulo state on this while, due to politics interests)?
A high staff doctor, an old, has been cured in few days but he doesn't admit the medecine he have take. It makes clear that the interest is not to allow normal people to have the same benefits.
I wonder if we spread some news about it, then the canadian staff could study it and make use of such medecine, in order to save people.

No. Pharmaceuticals are to be left to the professionals, and a ton of ACTUAL studies are being conducted as we speak by people with decades of experience and the qualifications to conduct them. I have no more place advising on the design and construction of a spacecraft than any politician lacking a solid background in microbiology research has trying to tell professionals and experts how to treat patients with a disease.

The entire developed world's medical community is heavily invested in cracking this one. It's not going to be Space-Clown-420 from Reddit or Tim from Facebook that somehow unlock the key to 'getting the word out'. It'll be public health experts, properly informed by expert researchers, who determine and promulgate the most effective and rational courses of action; the tendency of certain political figures to make things up on a national platform notwithstanding.

Edited- the start of my reply was unnecessarily harsh.
 

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Remember that time, when people thought mercury pills could cure and prevent diseases.  Yeah...
 

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Remius said:
Remember that time, when people thought mercury pills could cure and prevent diseases.  Yeah...

"A night with Venus, a lifetime with Mercury."

As COVID-19 ravages NYC and the 9-1-1 call volume goes through the roof, a family looks to find out what happened to their grandmother. Paramedics took her to Jamaica Hospital ( Queens ) but 'she never arrived'.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/nyregion/jamaica-hospital-queens-maria-correa-coronavirus.html


 

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Brihard said:
No, bugger off. Pharmaceuticals are to be left to the professionals, and a ton of ACTUAL studies are being conducted as we speak by people with decades of experience and the qualifications to conduct them. I have no more place advising on the design and construction of a spacecraft than any politician lacking a solid background in microbiology research has trying to tell professionals and experts how to treat patients with a disease.

The entire developed world's medical community is heavily invested in cracking this one. It's not going to be Space-Clown-420 from Reddit or Tim from Facebook that somehow unlock the key to 'getting the word out'. It'll be public health experts, properly informed by expert researchers, who determine and promulgate the most effective and rational courses of action; the tendency of certain political figures to make things up on a national platform notwithstanding.

As far as I know no politician has written a script for these drugs. Seems to me it has been doctors only. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell doctors no, you can't give that to your patient. Off-label use of medications is extremely common. The drugs mentioned are very old and proven safe, you can't possibly compare it to mercury. I know it is common to have a hysterical reaction to everything that comes out of Trump's mouth. Don't look at Trump, look at what the professionals are doing in their everyday practice taking care of their patients.
 

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kkwd said:
As far as I know no politician has written a script for these drugs. Seems to me it has been doctors only. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell doctors no, you can't give that to your patient. Off-label use of medications is extremely common. The drugs mentioned are very old and proven safe, you can't possibly compare it to mercury. I know it is common to have a hysterical reaction to everything that comes out of Trump's mouth. Don't look at Trump, look at what the professionals are doing in their everyday practice taking care of their patients.

1. Yes, only doctors have written scripts. There are indeed some doing so speculatively based on pure anecdotes that are as of yet unproven. I accept that in cases of desperation this will happen.

2. I made no mention of mercury, that was someone else.

3. Hydroxychloroquine is far from harmless. While it is safe in many patients and is effective for indicated conditions, It's contraindicated with potentially lethal side effects in people with certain cardiac conditions. More importantly, it's also in significant demand already for some autoimmune conditions such as Lupus. People who genuinely depend on this medication every day now face shortages based on in-considered advocacy of an unproven medication by people unqualified to do so. It may well prove to be effective for amelioration of SARS-CoV-2, but that is by no means settled yet and it is premature for government agencies to be urged to act on executive whim in lieu of proven science that is presently and aggressively being pursued.

My issue here is with randoms all over the internet pushing something they don't understand, are ignorant of the risks of, and utterly lack the expertise to have a qualified opinion on. A ton of high priced help that is eminently qualified to make these evaluations is working hard on that at this moment. Let them do their jobs, not have to respond to someone's helmet fire because one poorly run trial (that in normal circumstances would not come close to meriting publication based on its flawed methodology and reporting) starts a mild hysteria.
 

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kkwd said:
As far as I know no politician has written a script for these drugs. Seems to me it has been doctors only. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell doctors no, you can't give that to your patient. Off-label use of medications is extremely common. The drugs mentioned are very old and proven safe, you can't possibly compare it to mercury. I know it is common to have a hysterical reaction to everything that comes out of Trump's mouth. Don't look at Trump, look at what the professionals are doing in their everyday practice taking care of their patients.

Professional likes Dr Fauci or doctor Birks right?
 

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Brihard said:
My issue here is with randoms all over the internet pushing something they don't understand, are ignorant of the risks of, and utterly lack the expertise to have a qualified opinion on.

I'm not condoning spreading various drug use for this at all. However I find it ironic that our own Minister of Health has no formal training in medicine whatsoever is the person we are listening to at the podium everyday. Graphic designer out of high school, went to Lakewood College for BA then a Masters in Public Administration at UVic. In the US, the surgeon general is an actual doctor. I don't listen to randoms on the internet, but these so called "experts" aren't exactly experts in their own right. You could argue she is just a messenger, but in the end she isn't qualified to answer medical-based questions either, all I hear from her on a daily basis is "wash your hands" "cough in your elbow" "practice social distancing". We don't need an unqualified, overpaid minister making those statements. She is utterly useless in her position.
 

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Brihard said:
My issue here is with randoms all over the internet pushing something they don't understand, are ignorant of the risks of, and utterly lack the expertise to have a qualified opinion on.

I'll ask you this, why is COVID-19 special and exempt from uniformed internet "experts" pushing a specific treatment? We have a whole system of homeopathic "doctors", a legal requirement for access to medical marijuana that can literally cure everything from arthritis to PTSD and the billion dollar essential oil industry. That's just in Canada where we have some more stringent rules about advertising prescription medication.

Specifically for hydrocloroquine, Dr. Fauci himself even said it was promising and that they were allowing off-label use and accelerating the process for controlled clinical trials to put science behind anecdotal evidence but he wouldn't commit to saying it works until those trials are done. If people take that statement to go out and buy hydrocloroquine to use without a doctor's supervision then perhaps that's just Darwanism at work, much like the Spring Breakers in Florida who are now getting sick and ending up in ICUs...
 

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Saw some chappie wanting to organize all the world's vaccine chasing programmes to come up with the one perfect cure. 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-need-a-big-science-approach-to-finding-a-corona-vaccine

Not a fan.

I'm happy enough with doctors all over the place chasing their own plans and chatting among themselves.  I trust that the doctor who is saving most patients will end up influencing his colleagues. 

Right now the world comprises couple of hundred test environments.  Some, like Sweden, are still operating like broth in an Ehrlenmeyer.

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Others, are trying to emulate a microtiter plate by dividing the broth and locking it up into a bunch of small cells.

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And there is everything in between.

A generalized reporting system is probably not a bad idea - but centralized control of experimentation would be a very bad idea.

This applies equally to tests for detecting active SARS-Cov2, treatments for the multitude of symptoms and tests for determining who has been innoculated and is now safe - or infectious.

None of the above is yet clear.

 

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Quirky said:
I'm not condoning spreading various drug use for this at all. However I find it ironic that our own Minister of Health has no formal training in medicine whatsoever is the person we are listening to at the podium everyday. Graphic designer out of high school, went to Lakewood College for BA then a Masters in Public Administration at UVic. In the US, the surgeon general is an actual doctor. I don't listen to randoms on the internet, but these so called "experts" aren't exactly experts in their own right. You could argue she is just a messenger, but in the end she isn't qualified to answer medical-based questions either, all I hear from her on a daily basis is "wash your hands" "cough in your elbow" "practice social distancing". We don't need an unqualified, overpaid minister making those statements. She is utterly useless in her position.

What's ironic?  The US Secretary of Health and Human Services isn't a medical doctor either (lawyer).  That said, does the Minister need a medical degree in order to convey what her qualified subordinates are recommending?

The Canadian equivalent to the US Surgeon General is the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, and she is indeed a medical doctor and has been front-and-centre. 
 

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Remius said:
Professional likes Dr Fauci or doctor Birks right?

Apparently, Dr. Fauci requires a security detail.

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