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recceguy
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posted 29 July 2021 08:30
quote: Originally posted by Bill Green:
On the recce side of the house if reservists can gain access to reg f courses they will succeed. However the real issue is how do they hone these newly aquired skills? It seems to me we have two choices one we issue the same platform to both reg and reserve. Although costly initially this would solve the maintenace isssues that arise when trying to maintain dissimilar fleets of veh and we would have standardized training. Or second we go to different or specialized roles. Personally I would not want to be on a battlefield as Bde recce in a Lav. It is not designed to be a mobile stealthy veh and it doesn't have the armour or gun to fight for information. LUUVW should be designed and trialed on its stealth and mobility.
I'm wondering which reg force recce crse you are referring to. So far as I know the only thing that comes close to a recce course in the regs is the Coyote surviellence crse, which is avail to reserves, I've taken it. As to the learning of recce, in the regs it's a learn by the seat of your pants gig. It was like that when I commanded ferrets and lynx and it's still like that. They take some classroom lectures on the reg force 6A armoured crse for famailiarization, but that's it." Mornin' 41. Here's your Troop Leader's Guide to the Galaxy, it's completely outdated and has been since the late '70's, but it will give you the basics" the Battle Capt said with a grin. The reserves are the ones that have been developing the QL4 recce package (it's being fine tuned within all areas, feedback sent up, checked, refined, yada yada yada). The out of date QL4 Recce CTP shows reg force crse loads but I've never heard of one being run, I might be wrong, but I don't think so. By giving the reserve recce units priority to the Command & Control version of the LUVW, we are being put into the unique position to define and train for a role that is our's, no more poor cousin. Being able to go out on wknds to do recce, in hometown areas, in Luvw's provides for more viable local trg than travelling to some distant ARTC to use and train on Coyote or LAV. Most recce situations are present and can be trained on in local hometown areas. The regs took all the Bisons slated for only reserve use, bought and payed for with reserve dollars, under the Total Force credo. Now they have the Coyote and LAV that they don't want to share, (what about Total Force now?) They don't need our lowly jeeps also, just cause it's a new toy and they want it. Want to kill the reserves? Give us one more piece of nice gear and then take it away, saying we're not capable, don't deserve it, can't maintain it, or IT"S NOT YOUR JOB! Mud recce is being defined as a unique role and it looks like it is going to be ours. The regs don't do it anymore. Doing lateral drills in a coyote surv veh is not mud recce (recce in force, light armoured or arm cav role maybe?). Let's give it an honest try, with all the support available to give us a fighting chance to prove ourselves capable before giving up and selling the farm. With the proper equipment and resources and LOCAL training, we can do this role without taking a back seat to the regs. Oh, and don't discount the chain gun. While not a tank gun, it'll still rip up most stuff that's out there.
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Bill Green
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posted 31 July 2021 00:51
For Gunner..., Two tps,SHQ and an A ech minus rad tech and the unit is increasing in strength by Feb 02 will be over a hundred.Yesterday the CP crew and BC attempted to work with mixed systems (analoque and digital). The comms were intermittant. Is there a way to sort this out? I don't know on the arty side of the house but in the 70's and 80's we pooled our jeeps in Dundurn for all Sask units. The problem from the armour perspective is that the equipment becomes a bit of an orphan and nobody maintains it. We went back to an age old commandment of "one person one kit".The closer the kit is to an individual or unit the better it is maintained. It is also part of the training of new troopers to get them to look after and maintain their kit and we extend this to crew kit like vehs, wpns and comms. It increases the soldiers responsibility and that is a good thing. I am very pleased with the new TCCCs equipment and the training that is being offered. If you want to hear me whine get me going on recruiting functions, budgeting and lack of decentralized decision making to the lowest command level. Back to the comms issue is there a SME I could approach on this. Tried the closest comm sqn but everyone is on course or unsure if this can be done. Would appreciate your responses. Reconnaissance with Courage and Integrity
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posted 31 July 2021 18:36
There is apparenly ways of modifiying a 524 to talk to TCCCS. It has something to do with reseting/readjusting the squelch. (This has to be an internal mod to the radio done by a tech). The Comms Sdr quys should know how to do it. However after the conversion, I don't know if the 524's can talk to each other. As for 77 sets the do talk to TCCCS. As for scale of issue. again we lose. Our arty CPs now only have two rad sets and with the new scale of LSVW CPs it is obvious the res arty are not eqpt to field more than a bty. Only our CPs and a couple of Iltis were converted so basicly we have CP to OP comms but nothing with recce or the ech. However our Reg F brethen have now made up their shortfall for CPs (theirs are in Bosnia, and will probably never be replaced) and every gun (tracked btys)or gun tractor (for the light btys) are now TCCCS eqpt.
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Gunner
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posted 31 July 2021 20:37
Bill, didn't have time to check out your units strength (actual vs paper) today and will give you the benefit of the doubt. Your problems with pooled equipment came from incompetence not an unsound concept. Instead of fixing the problem, you (generic not personally) allowed a problem to destroy the solution, hence you still don't have enough kit. By the way the concept of "one soldier, one kit" is valid ... for the personal gear/wpns in which it was intended. Currently, there is more than enough kit for some of it to be on the armoury floor (which is a must, I agree). I'm not sure if having kit sitting on a shelf or a vehicle compound for the vast majority of it's life is a wise way to spend tax dollars. Res F recce units need about a tps worth on the ground and the flexibility to surge to a sqn strength as reqr. Easily accomplished by proper planning and coordination. By the way, if you want to whine...start another thread, I'll enjoy the discussion. Cheers, Gunner
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Recce41
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posted 10 August 2021 14:44
As a hardcore Recce guy, In todays Army the Leo C2 turret is old and the Coyote/lav is new. Most yng tankers or coyote. Ive C/c the Ferret, lynx, coyote, and even the cougar in Recce. A Recce soldier is a special breed. He has to Patrol like the inf., C/c like a tanker, be able to callin a firer mission, and to be able to under stand basic eng. tasks. that is just for the Scout troops. For Asslt troop he has heavy wepons, some hard inf. and eng. tasks. that is the differents between a tanker own is one thing a tanker, ie gunner, driver, loader, and as C/c all three. So you chose!. Bold and Swift
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