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Topic: RCMP mbrs in the Militia
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garb811
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posted 10 March 2021 13:37
A read of the RCMP Act shows that this isn't specifically ruled out but it does give the Commissioner the authority to institute other rules and regulations "for the organization, training, conduct, performance of duties, discipline, efficiency, administration or good government of the Force."Para 4 of the Act also states, "The Force may be employed in such places within or outside Canada as the Governor in Council prescribes." which tells you something. Para 18 d reads "to perform such other duties and functions as are prescribed by the Governor in Council or the Commissioner." They too, are subject to being "called up" for duty. Then there is Section 12.1 which states "Every member who has contravened, is found contravening or is suspected of contravening the Code of Conduct or an Act of Parliament or of the legislature of a province may be suspended from duty by the Commissioner." Get charged under the Code of Service Discipline and get suspended. Of course, reading this you could also be suspended for being give a provincial traffic ticket. Not sure how Provincial Police Acts deal with this. Lets not even get into the issue of Commissions. My take on it is the RCMP are already burdened with obligations that other police forces and agencies aren't. From my take on it, it's para 18d that is really the issue though since it would be a dogs breakfast if both the RCMP and the members Militia unit would be called up at the same time, no matter what MOU was in place beforehand. Having said all of that, the RCMP now permits it's members to join the Cadet Instructor Cadre. Of course, there really isn't much worry that these guys will ever be called up.
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garb811
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posted 11 March 2021 12:25
Heh, I'd been thinking that this was a RCMP prohibition on your enrolling, not a CF one yet there it is in QR&O; 6.01(2) "the following persons shall not be enrolled in the Canadian Forces: (a) a member of any other of Her Majesty�s forces, or of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police".QR&O; 6.01(5) "A member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police may be enrolled in the Cadet Instructor Cadre. (4 August 2021)" And the note to this: "A member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police enrolled in the Cadet Instructor Cadre is not eligible for transfer to another sub-component of the Reserve Force." Unfortunately it doesn't give a detailed explanation about why this is, http://www.dnd.ca/admfincs/subjects/qr_o/vol1/tofc06_e.asp is the link if you want to read it over yourself. Given the level of detail they have gone to in this QR&O;, I don't think a letter to the MND is going to help you out and I believe the Bn CO would be very unwise if he were to look the other way as it places both of you in a bad situation when it does come to light. If there are RCMP officers out there doing this on the QT I hope they realize that they are putting both "careers" on the line to do this. Thinking further it appears that this order is essentially equating the RCMP as one of Her Majesty's Forces. Given that the RCMP formed all of the Provost Corps in WWI and #1 Provost Coy in WWII this is quite possible. I'm not sure of the exact history but is it possible these folks didn't need to enroll to go overseas? Perhaps a Q for one of our history boffins to research.
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Master Blaster
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posted 15 March 2021 23:25
As this thread is very specific and has some very 'black and white' responses (ie: QR&O;'s) I thought that I'd throw my $.0002 (US) in anyway.I was training at the Depot in Dwyer Hill (prior to the Secret Squirrels taking over) and the subject of Militia training came up. The general consensus was that it was not possible for a Horseman to join as it would be like drawing two paychecks from the same employer (both federal agencies) but then the item of federal Corrections officers came up and we were informed that they form a separate group within the federal emplyoyment organization as they are union represented. As Horsemen are not represented by a union (exactly) this may be the one factor that exempts them from miliary service. There are several OPP, Metro, Peel, Durham and numerous municipal police officers that serve as part time citizen-soldiers and most of them handle their dual role quite well. The burden seems primarily to fall on the spouse and families that never see the members because of some very varied hours and schedules. For a young, single Law Enforcement Officer that wishes to expand their scope of experience, there's nothing that beats the Primary Reserve. For almost anyone else, it is the cause of breakups, divorces and career choices that may result in disasterous consequences. All the Best Dileas Gu Brath
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russm
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posted 21 March 2021 17:43
In my own experience, police officers don't make the best Reserve soldiers anyway for the simple reason that they generally cannot commit sufficient time to be viable. I've encountered some excellent soldiers who have become police officers...all ex-Reg force who went into the Reserves and also began life as a cop. Even cops with a fair bit of TI as police officers and consequently greater flexibility regarding shifts, etc., have a hard time committing. And "grey" attenders are worse than non-attenders IMO. In any case, I have yet to see the arrangement work out with any genuine degree of satisfaction to the Unit.It's a shame, because some of them are good soldiers. But the fact remains that you can be the best soldier in the world, but if you don't show up, you're no good to anyone!
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