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Dessert Fox
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posted 16 June 2021 01:54
Some advice needed:I've recently been issued a new pair of "Boots, Combat GS MK III Black" that have a little tag attached stating that they are to be treated with "T3000 Silicone water repellent solution". It also states "No Polishes, Waxes or Grease are to be Applied". Is this for real? No polishing? What is this T3000 stuff? My local Army Surplus store suggested to use the stuff they sell at Moneysworth & Best. This is an issue 'cause I'm going on course in July and need to break these things in. In that vein, I've heard one should soak new boots in hot water, then wear them until dry. Any comments on that? Thanks in advance, DF
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bossi
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posted 16 June 2021 12:35
If you're going on course in July, you've only got a few weeks to break in your boots (and more importantly, break in your feet ...) - you might prefer to use the time to break them both in by walking in your boots (whereas if you used the "hockey skate" method of soaking the boots, you'd lose some valuable time). Besides, your boots will get wet enough, soon enough, without any special effort on your part ... (chuckle).Regarding the issue of boot-blackening/polishing, I think it has something to do with the pebbled finish - excessive polishing would wear it off (and once upon a time heated spoons were used to smooth out the pebbles), which would defeat the purpose of the design (which was to provide a non-reflective surface, with the intent of making your boots slightly less visible/detectable). But, I'm no expert. Best hint/advice I ever received was to wear two pairs of socks - thin inner pair, thicker/absorbent outer pair - helps prevent blistering/chafing. If you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to pick up a couple pairs of "CoolMax" socks to use as the inners (more than one pair, so you can alternate them and let them dry out properly). Personally I've always found the official issue gray socks way too hot for my feet, so I use 100 per cent cotton in the summer (in my younger days I used American issue socks, but in my later/more mature years I've decided Greb Kodiak socks are just as good, and available closer to home). Also - WASH YOUR BOOT-BLOUSING BANDS!!! They're way too tight when they're brand new, and will cut off your circulation to your feet. Once washed, they're much more comfortable. Finally, there are as many opinions out there as there are readers, but here's mine on the topic of tucking in your "dust cuffs": Tucking them into the tops of your boots helps keep stuff out of your boot (which is maybe what they were designed for ... ?) Lots of people simply blouse everything, with the resultant "gray sock" look (when their trouser legs ride up, exposing your socks or shins). I'm certain your instructors will explain the standard they require, and the best of advice of all is simply "Do what you're told". Good Luck! Dileas Gu Brath Mark Bossi, Esquire
Posts: 222 | From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada | Registered: Jun 2000
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Mike Bobbitt
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posted 18 June 2021 23:12
I can't remember exactly where I saw it, but it actually does state in "the regs" that you are not to apply polish to combat boots. Apparently, polish causes the leather to break down faster.The official policy (at the time at least) was to apply CF issue boot blackener, which does not cause "boot rot." Of course, nobody I know of actually uses the stuff, and most instructors will turn you inside out for having blackened (but not polished) boots... I'll also add my advice to the pile for foot comfort. Definitely 2 pairs of socks, I use the issue gray ones for the outers, and the issue black ones (yes, the dress socks) for the inners. Very easy on your feet as the black ones don't hold moisture next to your skin. The only other thing I can suggest is to make sure your boots are snug, but not too tight. You only get blisters when your feet slide around. Good luck. P.S. DF: Are you more like Rommel or a sugared carnivore?
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Dessert Fox
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posted 20 June 2021 17:31
Sorry to disappoint you, lads, but I'm more like Rommel than a cutie with a cart. That is a tempting vision, though.I'm with an Armoured Recon regiment, hence the nickname. Thanks for all the info/advice. As it stands, I have been issued 2 pairs of combat boots. One has been polished, one not. I have the blackener and the silicone. My plan is to leave the polished ones, apply the blackener and silicone to the other pair, and wait 'til course to see what the Instructors say. Thoughts on this? Any other Kit advice? I'm pretty new at this, so anything would be welcome. Thanks, DF
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Dessert Fox
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posted 01 July 2021 21:41
Hi again,Happy Canada Day everyone. It's taken me a while to reply since I have been busy preparing for course, which starts tomorrow. Six Weeks! It was supposed to be in Petawawa, but will now be at the Connaught Ranges (near Ottawa). I'm disappointed at this 'cause my inlaws live in Pembroke (next to Pet), but c'est la vie. Madorosh, I do know the difference between the sandy place and the after dinner treat. It's just that I wouldn't dream of equating myself with Rommel, hence the extra S. I was just recently in Indigo, where I picked up Panzer Leader, which is Guderian's memoires. Looks like I won't be able to read it until I'm done my course, though. I do know the correct pronunciantion of leftenant. I was an Air Cadet many years ago. Long enough to have forgotten most useful things. Thanks for the reminder about Recce, though. I'm just not used to seeing it in writing that often. Thanks for all the helpful hints. I really appreciate it. I'll try and send some reports from the front. DF
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russm
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posted 20 July 2021 18:29
On the issue of socks:Two pairs or not, I strongly advise that no one wear cotton next to the skin! It retains moisture, causing blisters and sapping the heat from that extremity when it's cold out. We experimented with just about everything when I did my Army mountain courses in the '80s and 90's. Ultimately, we found that a very thin poly pro sock next to the skin was great for "wicking" away the moisture. Over that we put a sock made of 60/40 wool/nylon. The wool is great as it actually gets a little warmer when it gets wet and the breakdown of the natural fiber speeds up (ever seen a compost heap steaming on a cold day? Try feeling one!) - the nylon helps the durability of the sock and a little spandex (usually only about 2 or 3 percent) is great for durability, too. Boots: Black and shiny, regardless of what the label says. There's just no way around Kiwi! Best plan: Have a pair just for garrison that look really sharp, then wear your others (with silicone on them or whatever) in the field. Me? I wear jungle boots in the fd in the summer and Danners the rest of the year. I have never worn the issue cbt boot in the fd out of choice (it's about as much use as the C79 sight!). ;-D A word on cotton: Cotton is OK in some situations. In fact, the very moisture-retentive nature of a cotton t-shirt can be a real help in the summer, during the heat of the day. But cotton can literally be a real killer at other times. There are five ways to lose body heat: Respiration, perspiration, convection, conduction, and radiation. Let's say you're wearing a sweaty t-shirt under your cbt shirt when the sun goes down. The outside air temperature drops, the wind picks up...and now we have a problem. All you have to do is lie on the ground (which soldiers (esp Infantry ones) do a lot, and you're rapidly losing body heat all of the five ways mentioned above. Now, given that your feet are the furthest point away from your heart and are almost constantly in indirect contact with cold hard surfaces (while your entire body weight maximizes the effects of conductivity), do we really want to be wearing cotton socks? Naaah. BTW, if you're a smoker, you have a 40% increased chance of frost bite anyway...wearing cotton socks will simply up that percentage considerably. Remember that the cooling of a body is a two-way street. The warm blood is pumped away from the heart to the extremities (if it can get there you smokers!!!), but then it gets cold for the trip back which contributes to the cooling of the body core. There are a number of tricks to keep out tootsies toasty warm and relatively dry to make sure that the blood returning to the body core is also relatively warm. RussM
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