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RE: "Red" Sash

Ian,
I probably should have added that this was with the Public Duties
Detachment, now called Ceremonial Guard, or to the uninitiated "The Changing
of the Guard" on Parliament Hill. I had the privilege of commanding a
platoon (Division) in both 1974 and 1975. For a young Reserve officer there
was no better training available at the time - you commanded the same 36 men
for 3 1/2 months during garrison work, field work and the ceremonial.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Edwards [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: February 15, 2021 12:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: "Red" Sash
Burgundy is probably correct or closer to correct than my guess as 
maroon. But I wonder why the sashes of your GCC MWO were on his PC&E
Card? Such items weren't on scale of issue for Sr NCOs as late as 1972
when I was last a Sgt in the LEdmnR. Nor should they have been, say I. I
can recall the opposite problem some had who were vertically challenged
and/or lacking in girth; it was necessary to tie an extra knot in the
sash to keep it from drooping down below the knees. 
But I'm having trouble visualizing a WO1/CWO of Infantry wearing a sash
around the shoulder. Can't seem to recall what order of dress. Suspect
that this is in error?
And do you remember the Sam Browns worn by WO2s? Looked a bit like
telephone linemen ready to climb the pole, particularly when worn with
bush shirts and trousers.
(For the uninitiated, the strap was worn off the shoulder, dangling
below the waist belt, and bush clothing was the forerunner of combats
but worn only in the summer.) 
Ian Edwards
[email protected] wrote:
> 
> You are correct that MWOs and CWOs in the Guards (at least) wear a darker
> sash. Burgundy is the colour that comes to mind but that may because I had
> too much wine last night. I believe that Highland Regiments also wear
> different shades as I seem to remember seeing the Black Watch RSM in a
> darker sash than his NCOs. This sash is not to be confused with that worn
by
> some Highland Regiment officers.
> BTW, Many moon ago I had to do a Summary Investigation on a Canadian
> Grenadier Guard MWO who, due to his considerable girth, took two silk
sashes
> and spliced them into one XXL sash. The findings resulted in the MWO
paying
> for replacement sashes. In 1974 this amounted to $120.00, about 3 days pay
> then!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Edwards [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: February 12, 2021 11:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Red Sash
> 
> The originator of this "thread" also asked about varying colours
> of the sash. I don't recall the answer and hope someone else will, but I
> am sure Sgts and S/Sgt (or Colour Sergeants in Guards regiments and ?)
> and now Sgts and WOs wore/wear scarlet while WO2s (MWOs) wore maroon
> sashes. Can't recall why the difference. Hope someone knows.
> Next question: when did the tradition start, or rather become formalized
> in dress codes. I would bet after Crimean War, but perhaps Napoleonic
> wars? Should be easy to research. Damned hard to keep the sash "up" in
> that era of the 70s and later when there were no shoulder straps on CF
> tunics!
> 
> Ian Edwards
> 
> Bryon McLeod wrote:
> >
> > . The sash is traditionally worn by "line"
> > regiments which carry colours. This includes Highland and Scottish
> regiments
> > but excludes Rifle regiments as they do not carry colours per se
(although
> > many have them on their cap badges).
> >
> > Hi all ,....
> >
> > I wanted to add that in some regiments Drum Majors wear a claret sash it
> is
> > sort of similar to a Sgt. sash but made of silk.  In addition the very
> same
> > is seen with officers et. al. Capt. of the week.
> >
> > Bryon
> >
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