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JBP

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Ever seen any? I need info! I'm dying to find out what's over there and/or what's in the works! Last stuff I seen was something on TV about the newest Russian fighter having forward "Canards" and being at least partially stealth+super manuverable!!!

Seen a pic of it too, looked absolutely BEAUTIFUL and deadly. Anyway, any pics+info would be much appreciated on any current/new Russian aircraft. Not anything like Mig-29 (old but cool) or Su-27 Flanker (also old but cool)...

Thanks,
Joe

PS> Any good websites to find this stuff would be appreciated!
 

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Type in MIG or Sukhoi into Google and your bound to get numerous hits, I know I did.
 

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This it?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm

Or is it this?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/s-37.htm

Possibly this?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-37.htm

1st is a Mig 35, 2nd is a S 37 and the 3rd is a SU 37

Here's a site with a fair bit of info

http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?formAction=325&projectId=22

 

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On the Su-37 website above, the aircraft is described as a "counter air fighter" - is this a new term for interceptor/air superiority fighter?

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W601
 

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Condor, dude, I love you!

Thanks, suppose I wasn't looking hard enough, wicked pics and info!

Thanks for the website etc.

Joe

PS> That Clint Eastwood movie is OLD and was made about the Mig-25 Foxbat (even older) which was Russia's front-line intercepter like 25 years ago and broke several world records until the F-15 Eagle came out...
 
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Joe Joe Joe,no The Firefox had canards on the front of the fuselage and a delta wing configuration. The foxbat is totally different and looks like the Eagle.( thats the F 15)
 

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Hrm... I suppose I must watch that movie again, haven't seen it for about... 6 years now that I think of it! Something like that...

Now who here misses the Avro Arrow? I mean, c'mon! It seriously almost makes me feel like crying when I think about what came of that aircraft!!!

Now, it would have been a wicked Interceptor aircraft, but I was looking over the specs in a book I have and noticed that the Arrow was quite large... And it's shape makes it look as if it wouldn't have performed well in dogfighting. Not unless at high speed and/or high altitude, anyone have any info about that?

Joe
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As you said, the Arrow was an interceptor, not an air superiority fighter, thus it wasn't designed to be maneuverable or be able to dogfight, just get to the bad guys as fast as possible, shoot them down with a missile and head home.

From what I've been told by old Voodoo drivers, dogfights are actually kinda slow, they've done at Va (maneuvering speed) since at Va you can pull as hard as you want and the aircraft will stall before you overstress it. Any faster and you risk overstressing it, ie. you'll get shot down because your aircraft is busted. Any slower than Va and you'll stall before you can pull maximum G and it's the pulling that allows you to get into a firing position, whoever can pull the most usually wins, or so I've been told.

So no, the Arrow couldn't have been used in aerial combat, it just wasn't designed for it.

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I still wonder to this day what kinda spinoff technologies we could have had back then even if we kept the jet...

It was the first jet to have MANY modern fighter capabilities!

First to have:

Internal weapons bays (In a fighter)
Autopilot/Computer controlled flight system
Almond cockpit (Not necessarilly a benefit)

That's just a couple things. Shame it really is, they had to create new metals and ways of fabricating them just for that. It had hundreds of innovations. Also the first fighter to have a wing shaped like it did, not the "Supercritical" wing aspect, but the break half way down the leading edge of the wind to assure it didn't become uncontrollable after it passed the supersonic/subsonic barrier. What came out shortly after with that aerodynamic innovation? F-4 Phantom! Interesting, Canadian Brain Drain yay!!!!

I will always dream of that jet and what it had for Canada.

Joe
 

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Recruit Joe said:
Condor, dude, I love you!

No prob. I was bored, something to do...

Recruit Joe said:
Now who here misses the Avro Arrow? I mean, c'mon! It seriously almost makes me feel like crying when I think about what came of that aircraft!!!

There was actually a 3page thread about that here...

http://army.ca/forums/threads/16406.0.html

 

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Any chance the S-37 might be a possible contender for re-placement of the CF-18?
 

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cheeky_monkey said:
Any chance the S-37 might be a possible contender for re-placement of the CF-18?

Only if Smiling Jack and the N Dippers get a say if Defence matters.  ;D
 

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cheeky_monkey said:
Any chance the S-37 might be a possible contender for re-placement of the CF-18?

I have been feeling a slight discomfort in my lower intestine. Perhaps it is a group of winged monkeys that are about to take flight.
 
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IL-76: A Massive Russian-built Cargo Plane
Publicado - Published: 09/06/2007
http://www.desastres.org/noticias.php?id=09062007-15

CANADA.- A massive Russian-built cargo plane laden with military equipment and other supplies from the Canadian mission in Afghanistan clipped a fence at Canadian Forces Base Trenton last week.

Ira Turcotte was sitting at home on Thursday evening when he heard the rumble of the giant IL-76 Ilyushin's engines, despite the fact that a thick fog had settled over the area.

Located on the edge of a trailer park that borders the base, Mr. Turcotte's home is perfectly situated to watch planes take off and land from CFB Trenton, about three hours south of Ottawa.

The base is one of the largest and busiest in Canada as the majority of Canadian military personnel, equipment and supplies deployed abroad leave the country here.

The military has for years contracted such planes for overseas missions as they are faster and carry more equipment than the Canadian Forces' Hercules cargo planes.

Mr. Turcotte, whose house is across the street from a retirement home and several other houses, said the Ilyushin and other privately contracted planes fly in and out of Trenton as many as five times a week.

"I usually get up to see when they come or go," Mr. Turcotte said Sunday. "But for some reason I didn't this time."

Apparently the plane's engines drowned out any sound it may have caused when it hit the top of the approximately 12-foot-tall fence as neither Mr. Turcotte nor several other residents who live nearby heard anything over the roar.

The next morning, Mr. Turcotte woke around 5 a.m. to find several emergency vehicles had converged around the fence at the end of the runway. He drove down to see that the fence had been broken, with metal poles twisted and torn.

"If it would have crashed, it would have been a big explosion," he said, the still bent and twisted fence a few hundred metres away visible from his driveway. "Thank God it didn't."

Fog Might Be Responsible

Transport Canada and the Department of National Defence have launched separate investigations to determine why the Ilyushin struck the fence, base spokeswoman Capt. Nicole Meszaros said.

"It was really foggy here," she said. "It ended up hitting the fence and knocking down a section of that fence and ended up with the barbed wire along the top of the fence becoming entangled in the landing gear."

The plane was immediately diverted to Ottawa where minor repairs were completed before it returned to Trenton to complete its delivery.

Capt. Meszaros could not say whether the foggy conditions were responsible, though it's expected the two investigations will determine the cause. At the moment, the plane is not flying.

However, she said the incident has not affected operations at the base or resupply efforts for the Canadian mission in Afghanistan.

Jan Ottens, general manager and CEO of Toronto-based Skylink Aviation, which chartered the flight, said the plane is operated by a company based out of Azerbaijan.

The military is currently planning to expand CFB Trenton. Not only has more land been bought to facilitate the growth, but four new C-17 Globemaster transports and a new fleet of Hercules aircraft have been purchased. As a result, it's expected the number of private aircraft being contracted for military operations will decrease.

In addition, there are reports that the elite Joint Task Force 2 unit will be relocated from its Dwyer Hill base outside Ottawa to the area.
 

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formerarmybrat23 said:
Ira Turcotte was sitting at home on Thursday evening when he heard the rumble of the giant IL-76 Ilyushin's engines, despite the fact that a thick fog had settled over the area.

Since when does the fog impede sound propagation? I really thought it was the other way around...
 

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nihilpavor said:
Since when does the fog impede sound propagation? I really thought it was the other way around...

I think that the very fact that a plane was flying in such fog was the "surprising" fact for Mr Turcotte.
 

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The plane was immediately diverted to Ottawa where minor repairs were completed before it returned to Trenton to complete its delivery.

You can't imagine how much of a story is hidden within this sentence... :eek:
 

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Good2Golf said:
You can't imagine how much of a story is hidden within this sentence... :eek:
Sobering the crew up would have been my first guess...

Secondly complete its delivery?  - I would read - unloading the shipment it was supposed to take to Afghan and wait for a new plane...

 
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