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So you’re saying Harper had numerous ethical violations and treated women disrespectfully?
You know exactly what I'm saying. I've said it repeatedly. I cannot help it if you refuse to read what I have written here.So you’re saying Harper had numerous ethical violations and treated women disrespectfully?
I am not saying to remove due process, what I am saying is the whole prosecute the victim for 'false allegations' is a terrible thing to do. Unless there is clear evidence that the whole thing was made up you end up creating the barriers that prevent victims from coming forward in the first place.
If the allegation is false, then the victim isn't really a victim. In fact they've done something quite terrible to another person and that needs to be dealt with.I am not saying to remove due process, what I am saying is the whole prosecute the victim for 'false allegations' is a terrible thing to do. Unless there is clear evidence that the whole thing was made up you end up creating the barriers that prevent victims from coming forward in the first place.
Incorrect. I was saying that Harper was as responsible for Gen Vance situation as Trudeau was.It's not what you're saying, it's what you're inferring. Your statement infers that Mr Harper was somehow responsible for the Gen Vance situation.
I do not. It appears you were trying to impugn Harper in the earlier conduct of Vance, as though Harper should have known how a MGen was conducting himself.You know exactly what I'm saying. I've said it repeatedly. I cannot help it if you refuse to read what I have written here.
But just to do my due diligence, I will say it one last time.
I believe that people who engage in sexual misconduct do it regardless of who is the sitting Prime Minister.
Incidents which happened over 20 years ago. Can't come up with something new?certainly the civilian government has displayed such attitudes as well with our Prime Minister as the most glaring example, the guy who always talks about respect for women yet groped a reporter (and of course skated away from that with no consequences) and also talks about diversity and inclusion but wore blackface on numerous occasions (again skating away unscathed).
And the email (which would have gotten a junior member during Op Honour in a lot more hot water) happened in 2012, no?
Because general officers are completely non partisan, or bi partisan. They will commit their offenses regardless of which party is in power.
I'm sure if I went back to 1812 I would find the same old boys club doing whatever they wanted to do under George Prevost
I'm saying people who are doing the sexual assault don't care one lick who is in power, so long as they have their old boys club covering for them, they can bend the rules to cover their asses from now to kingdom come.
I'm more of a person who believes in holding individuals responsible for their actions, not blaming the political leadership at the time for influencing grown adults to make shit decisions.
Sure.Then that's what you should have said.
Sure.I do not. It appears you were trying to impugn Harper in the earlier conduct of Vance, as though Harper should have known how a MGen was conducting himself.
The Difference between Harper and Trudeau is that Trudeau knew via his Minister and staff that there were serious concerns over Vance’s conduct, and the lack of action or acceptance of responsibility by any of Canada’s elected officials of the day is disappointing at best, and at worse represents acceptance and support of questionable, unethical conduct.
I don't think that we are at that point. I've only spoken to a few people outside the military about this (mostly due to covid) and they have recognized that the recent positions shuffles have been because of the actions of two people. We don't even know what one of those people has been accused of. I don't think that there are too many people in Canada who actually think that every person they see in uniform is going to be a rapist or engage in other activities, but then again, we are at a pinnacle of wokeness, so who knows. I realize using the word pinnacle may be premature, as I am sure that the next few years will see even more.Let's put it another way, a troopie told me his date backed out in him and blocked his number after he said he was in the CAF, fearing he would sexually assault her. Some are comparing it to post Somalia where just wearing the uniform makes you a bad person.
So now we have this red room incident that apparently happened and only 50 something people got interviewed out of the 132. Very shitty investigation to say the least.
Navy closes probe into alleged ‘red room’ comments without speaking to all involved: sources - National | Globalnews.caThe investigation has concluded with military leadership suggesting subordinate women officers should confront their superiors for inappropriate comments, angering members.globalnews.ca