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NDP to debate phasing out Canada’s Armed Forces at policy convention

Jarnhamar

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Topic devolves to critiquing sources again?
Classic.
 
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Probably because most of us here come here to have a good faith discussion of the topics at hand, and initiating a conversation with a garbage article from websites which exist to make money off of right wing angst (e.g., Rebel, Epoch, Federalist, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, Red State, NY Post, Town Hall, Brietbart, Newsbusters etc.) means that the rest of us have to start with fact checking almost every line before the conversation can even start.
 

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The article was factually correct, so not garbage. Your not liking the publisher has no bearing on the veracity of this specific article. That you have only singled out "right wing" sources for your vitriol keenly shows your own bias. There are few angels, but many angles on both sides of the political divide.
 

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And it directly and accurately quotes material from the NDP policy statements. Heck, even MSM has a hard time getting a quote right...
 

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The issue is not if this particular article happened to be accurate, but that these websites have such a poor track record of discussing material without intentionally misrepresenting the issue at hand that anyone who isn't willing to accept the reporting at face value has to put in a lot of legwork to see to figure out if a statement is the truth, a half-truth, or a lie.

There are lots of poor quality left wing websites, for sure. See Daily Kos, Mother Jones, Share Blue, World Socialist Web Site, etc. The difference is that none of them get used as sources on this website.
 

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Maybe, but you said "a garbage article", thereby casting doubt on the validity of the information. If you had only meant to criticize the source you could have done so without classifying the article as "garbage".
 

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The issue is not if this particular article happened to be accurate, but that these websites have such a poor track record of discussing material without intentionally misrepresenting the issue at hand that anyone who isn't willing to accept the reporting at face value has to put in a lot of legwork to see to figure out if a statement is the truth, a half-truth, or a lie.

There are lots of poor quality left wing websites, for sure. See Daily Kos, Mother Jones, Share Blue, World Socialist Web Site, etc. The difference is that none of them get used as sources on this website.

You don't have to go that far into the fringes to find intentionally misleading journalism, look at just about any CBC article covering the CAF, policing, or gun control.
 

Jarnhamar

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the rest of us have to start with fact checking almost every line before the conversation can even start.
Are you suggesting taking the time to fact check something you're going to spend time debating instead of just accepting whatever is posted as fact is bad?
 

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This is one of those motions that is a fringe group from the party that will never pass. Much like the Conservatives and any limits on abortion/gay marriage.
Topic devolves to critiquing sources again?
Classic.
Remember, if you don't have anything intelligent to say on a topic, just shout down the source.
 

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Not only will the NDP be debating abolishing the CAF, but also billionaires and police forces! Here, courtesy of the CBC is full list of all the motions the NDP will be debating.

With an election looming, grassroots New Democrats propose over 500 policy resolutions

David Thurton , Olivia Stefanovich · CBC News · Posted: Apr 04, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

Delegates will have 24 hours to prioritize the resolutions on April 6 — just three days before the virtual convention kicks off.

With talk of an early federal election running hot, party insiders say this convention offers the party an early opportunity to get campaign-ready. CBC News combed through the resolutions and lays out some of the highlights below.

Taxing the rich​


The resolutions being considered for debate at the convention include proposals to:

  • Abolish billionaires by taxing all gross wealth above $1 billion at 100 per cent.
  • Create a wealth tax for personal incomes of the rich.
  • Campaign for severe penalties against tax evasion, including the confiscation of untaxed profits, asset seizures and jail time.
Health

The party could end up debating several resolutions that would call for changes to the way health services are funded and delivered. Among other things, they call on the federal government to:

  • Work with provincial and territorial governments to implement high quality long-term care, and ensure all facilities are built on a non-profit model.
  • Pass legislation requiring the maintenance of an adequate stockpile of personal protective equipment at all times, and establish a public agency to manufacture and distribute.
  • Create a Crown corporation to produce vaccines, pharmaceuticals and medical devices.
  • Negotiate a new Canada Health Accord with the provinces and territories to ensure vision, dental, hearing, mental health, podiatry, physiotherapy, chiropractic and seniors' care are covered.
  • Decriminalize all illegal drugs.
  • Update the NDP policy book to state that all Canadians are entitled to access abortion and reproductive health care services, regardless of their geographical location. The resolution says that no one should have to travel more than 200 kilometres to obtain such care.

Labour and workers

New Democrats may agree to call on the federal government to:

  • Create a guaranteed basic income.
  • Implement a $15 or $20 per hour federal minimum wage.
  • Legislate at least seven employer-paid sick days for all federally regulated workers and 14 additional days during public health outbreaks.

  • Legislate the right to strike for all working people.
  • Make it an offence for employers to use replacement workers during a strike or lockout.
  • Nationalize major auto companies and shift toward building environmentally sustainable cars.
  • Reduce the work week to 32 hours without loss of pay or benefits and outlaw mandatory overtime.

Environment and transit​


New Democrats could debate resolutions calling on Ottawa to:

  • Achieve emissions reduction of 55 per cent by 2030 compared to 1990 levels.
  • Develop a net-zero building code for all new buildings by 2025.
  • Actively campaign against all new pipelines.
  • Support the removal of subsidies to fossil fuel industries and support incentives to develop Canadian renewable energy.
  • Support legislation that imposes a green tariff on foreign goods and services from countries that do not have a comparable carbon pricing system.
  • Establish free public transit within one year of forming government.


Another resolution calls for Indigenous lands to be returned to Indigenous communities. (CBC)

Indigenous policy​


  • One motion pushes for "an end to the heroic commemoration" of Canada's first prime minister, Sir John A. Macdonald, and to remove his statues from public places.
  • Another calls for the return of Crown lands and the restoration of Indigenous jurisdiction to Indigenous nations, commonly known as "Land Back."
  • One resolution calls for the incorporation of Indigenous symbols into the Canadian flag, with all-party consensus and consultation with First Nations, Inuit and Métis artists.

Palestinian rights and foreign relations​


  • Several resolutions touch on Israel and the Palestinian Territories. One specifically calls for an end to all "trade and economic cooperation with illegal settlements in Israel-Palestine" and a suspension of arms sales to Israel until "Palestinian rights are upheld."
  • Another calls for the NDP to oppose the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism, arguing that it has "been used to attempt to silence those who denounce grave abuses of human rights of the Palestinian people."
  • As India's farmers' protest continues, one resolution calls on the party to push the Canadian government to condemn the Indian government's response and to stand up for the farmers.

Social issues​


  • One resolution calls for a review of the RCMP's $10 million budget and significant investments in mental health, de-escalation and harm reduction in cases involving substance abuse.
  • Others call for the complete or partial defunding, disarming and disbanding of police forces in Canada.
  • One resolution in particular calls on the government to freeze military spending, while another proposes "the phasing out of the Canadian Armed Forces."
  • And another resolution calls on an NDP government to ban the use of pepper spray by law enforcement because of the long-term adverse health effects.

Internet and affordability​


Resolutions being considered for the convention include calls for Canada to:

  • Force web giants to pay taxes in Canada.
  • Place the telecommunications industry under public ownership.
  • Create a publicly-owned telecom, following the example of SaskTel in Saskatchewan.
  • Propose a national strategy for broadband Internet services.

Housing​


Housing resolutions include demands for:

  • A moratorium on evictions, mortgage foreclosures and utility cut-offs due to unemployment.
  • A national housing strategy to ensure every Canadian has access to a safe, adequate and accessible home.
  • The construction of affordable housing on vacant federal lands.

Students​


New Democrats may debate calling on the federal government to:

  • Cancel student debt for all current and former post-secondary students.
  • Support a universal transit pass for students.
  • Incorporate student housing in the national housing policy.

These are just some of the highlights. You can read all of the policies here:

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I can’t imagine any sane business person staying in a country where your entire revenue is taken from you.

One couldn’t have a more effective plan to drive the economy into the ground.
 

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I can’t imagine any sane business person staying in a country where your entire revenue is taken from you.

One couldn’t have a more effective plan to drive the economy into the ground.
And then they, who know better than us unwashed masses, will supplant democracy, and rule. It has worked before. (See "Socialist countries in the last century.")
 

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The NDP staffer came up with this 'cancel the CAF' debate idea is clearly a genius.

Look at all the free advertising it's getting for a previously unknown, relatively powerless national political party :)
 

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I can’t imagine any sane business person staying in a country where your entire revenue is taken from you.

One couldn’t have a more effective plan to drive the economy into the ground.
I believe that is what happened in the UK during the 70-80s where high taxes on the rich resulted in them fleeing the country.
 

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I believe that is what happened in the UK during the 70-80s where high taxes on the rich resulted in them fleeing the country.

And contributed to the elimination of Labour from the political arena for decades, beginning with the rise of Thatcher:

"In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%.[17] In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the top rate on investment income to 98%, the highest permanent rate since the war. This applied to incomes over £20,000 (£209,963 as of 2019).[7]

The Government of Margaret Thatcher, who favoured indirect taxation, reduced personal income tax rates during the 1980s.[18] In the first budget after her election victory in 1979, the top rate was reduced from 83% to 60% and the basic rate from 33% to 30%.[19] The basic rate was also cut for three successive budgets – to 29% in the 1986 budget, 27% in 1987 and to 25% in 1988.[20] The top rate of income tax was cut to 40% in the 1988 budget. The investment income surcharge was abolished in 1985.

Under the government of John Major the basic rate was reduced in stages to 23% by 1997."

 

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I can’t imagine any sane business person staying in a country where your entire revenue is taken from you.

One couldn’t have a more effective plan to drive the economy into the ground.
I can only imagine the hardships faced by those who would be left with an income of only 999 999 999 $.....
 

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I can only imagine the hardships faced by those who would be left with an income of only 999 999 999 $.....
Not like any of us here would ever know, but the point is that these wealth redistribution plans brief well, until you have to find a new source of income, because those who wish not to be taxed at globally uncompetitive rates no longer contribute to the redistribution source.
 

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I can only imagine the hardships faced by those who would be left with an income of only 999 999 999 $.....
It's not income, it is wealth that is 100% taxed.
Not like any of us here would ever know, but the point is that these wealth redistribution plans brief well, until you have to find a new source of income, because those who wish not to be taxed at globally uncompetitive rates no longer contribute to the redistribution source.
And my read on this is that it is a wealth tax, not an income tax. The goal is to eliminate billionaires. As much wealth is tied up in infrastructure, land and stocks, either these get liquidated, confiscated, or both. Then they are either nationalized, or sold to realize. Nationalization rarely succeeds competitively, and with wealth confiscated, there are few domestic buyers left. The job losses and economic blow would be catastrophic, not to mention the resulting dearth of innovation and R&D. But, I am not a socialist, so what do I know.
 
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